Author Topic: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
Kadue
Registered: Jun 00

Date Posted: 3/25/02 12:46pm Subject: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines - Date Edited: 6/17/02 12:23pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Gandalf the Grey
Recently there has been concerns over the increasing use of spoiler material in the forum with no warning as to it, and it's time for this to be addressed.




First, what is a spoiler?

A spoiler is any fact or bit of information that gives away plot and character information. Here on the boards, a lot of the time this refers to information about Episode II: Attack of the Clones. Here in the Literature forum, it also applies to books. Anything that gives away plot points and character information about an upcoming book. Information from web sites, catalogues, press-releases can all be considered spoilers if they reveal plot points and character information.




Proper use of spoilers.

So you've found a juicy piece of info on how the war is going, or who dies in the next book, or what we learn about the old Jedi order from a new prequel era book. You want to shout it from the roof-tops because you're all excited. Good, that's what the forum is here for. But you have to remember that there are people here who love the surprise of finding this out as they read it.

Here are the rules. Any title to a thread must not contain any spoiler information whatsoever, and if the thread does contain spoilers, the tag (_____ Spoilers) MUST be in the title. You can use known facts about what will happen in a book like major characters, known planets that will be involved, hanging plot threads from previous books as long as they do not reveal major unknown plot points. You don't introduce spoilers to a thread that does not contain a spoiler warning.

Anyway, you have this juicy spoiler, so you've clicked on the "Post New Topic" link. You've typed out the info, given the link to where you got it from (yes, this is considered good etiquette), and now you're thinking of a title to get everyone reading. Naturally something like "Chewie dies!!! NOOOO!!!!" would generally get everyone reading. Well, think of something else. No spoilers should appear in the title of a thread, even something like "Guess who dies in Vector Prime" is not acceptable. Make the title something non-commital, and add a tag telling that there are spoilers in the thread after it, eg. "New info about the NJO (Vector Prime spoilers)".

But please be careful, don't put in character names unless they are one of the major characters. As with the above example, "Chewie info from Vector Prime (Spoilers)" would be fine, but "Vergere's major role in SBS (spoilers)" isn't, as you've given away that she returns and has a big impact on the storyline.





How long is a spoiler a spoiler?

Currently, anything about a book is considered a spoiler for a month after the release in America. Up until this time, discussion still have to have a spoiler warning in the title of a thread.




Failure to follow these rules.

Let me make it clear that we are serious about this. Failure to take your fellow Literature forum patrons into consideration will result in some course of action being taken. In some cases, this will be as simple as an edit and a warning. But if you reveal one of the major details without any warning, expect to be banned for a decent amount of time.

If anyone sees something that breaches these rules, please tell one of us. If none of the Literature moderators are online, contact any of the other moderators that are online at that point in time, and tell them specifically what needs to be removed or changed. If it is something serious, contact them first, then send one of us a quick message telling us the situation so we can follow it up.





This policy takes effect the minute this has been posted, and over the next day or two I will go through all the threads on the top couple of pages and fix anything that doesn't comply. If you see anything, feel free to PM me with the thread link.

If you have any suggestions or comments on this policy, feel free to come to us with them, and we will consider them.

The Literature Mods (Darth Ludicrous, The Gatherer, Kadue, jedimasterED, Gandolf the Grey and Sturm Antilles)

 

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wild_karrde
Registered: Oct 99
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 12:52pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
A month? hmm, shorter than I thought.

Nice that you put in that American ref, so now we got a bit more of a definition.

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JediStryker
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 12:56pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
Thanks Kadue. This is hopefully just the right step in getting this place more organized. grin

Glad to see you back, BTW. happy

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Caine
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 12:58pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines

Thank you. Here's a question. Are blurbs or "summaries" (like the DW summary recently posted) considered spoilers?

The DW blurb in particular contained spoilers for Traitor which I didn't want to know about.


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Genghis12
Title: EU Literature & EUC Forums Moderator
Registered: Nov 99
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:01pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines - Date Edited: 3/25/02 1:10pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Genghis12
Looks good to me. We know AotC is a special case (as will Episode III). We know there are several important issues regarding its spoilers - the most important being that they can't be posted anywhere outside of the PSA forums.

Is this spoiler policy meant to cover the AotC novellization as well, or is this still superceded by the broader "JC AotC Spoiler policy" restricting any such spoilers to PSA until such time you guys think it's okay to break from?

Example:
Around a three weeks to a month or so from now, the AotC novellization (Del Rey has "April 2002" listing) goes on sale in America. A month after that, only around two weeks or so after the AotC movie release, the spoiler period is up on the novellization. What happens to AotC novel discussion in Lit. Is it okay to start posting all sorts of "spoilers" in titles and what-not.

Or are there still special provisions covering AotC novellizations (and comic adaptations, etc.) You guys may want to make sure there's a clear AotC policy for us.

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Kadue
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:02pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines - Date Edited: 3/25/02 1:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Kadue
w_k - It was what we decided to as a team after discussing it and the implications.

Caine - Everything is considered a spoiler unless it is directly from a released novel.

Genghis - We haven't discussed that fully yet, although it is on my agenda. I personally wouldn't mind one thread in here for it, but we have to consider the implications of another fiasco like before SBS.

 

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Gandalf the Grey
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:03pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
"Information from web sites, catalogues, press-releases can all be considered spoilers if they reveal plot points and character information.

What about Holonetnews?

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wild_karrde
Registered: Oct 99
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:06pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
What if it's at the official site? Like an excerpt or blurb? Once something from AOTC is posted there, it's no longer considered a spoiler ...

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IAmTheDarkSide
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:06pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
Wasn't it two months, and people were still concerned? Why did it go DOWN?

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ReaperFett
Registered: Dec 99
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:08pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
What if it's at the official site? Like an excerpt or blurb? Once something from AOTC is posted there, it's no longer considered a spoiler ...

I say it is, considering many avoid the site due to how much it can give away.

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Gandalf the Grey
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:08pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
IAmTheDarkSide: I think I can remember a time when two weeks was acceptable. I'm happy that the shorter period has been implemented.

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Kadue
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:09pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
Excerpt and blurbs can sometimes give away a lot of spoilers, especially sample chapters. It is easier just to consider everything a spoiler for sheer ease on both our part, and on yours. That way there is no confusion and fighting over it.

 

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JediStryker
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:12pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
I think HNN should be considered a spoiler source. It's not hard to keep the stuff in it outside of mainstream conversations, and it's not hard to throw a spoiler warning on a thread concerning something in it.

I would also say the same for TOS, but since most of that stuff concerns AotC and Ep III, is it really supposed to be discussed in here anyway?

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DVader316
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 1:31pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
I fully support these updated rules, Kadue. Good job.

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chissdude10
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 2:30pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines - Date Edited: 3/25/02 3:20pm (1 edits total) Edited By: chissdude10
Kadue, do we have any rules on theoretical statments?

btw, are your new colors for UCLA?

 

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Gandalf the Grey
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 6:01pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
Up, so people can see this.

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Skylark
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 6:08pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
Wow...I dunno, but it seems kind of strict and harsh. I understand some people's concern. I've had stuff spoiled for me that I didn't want to know about. I just think that if you're going to come to a forum like this you should almost expect to be spoiled. Oh well, what do I care? I haven't posted a topic or anything yet and I don't plan to soon.

Okay, all's cool with me.

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Kadue
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 8:59pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
chiss - Conjecture is fine.

And no, they aren't since I'm an Aussie.

Skylark - We've tried for ages to be "nicer" about it, but all it did was cause hassles. This assures that everyone is safe.

 

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Infiltrator
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 9:03pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
stang, skylark, I still feel bad for spoiling you

Sorry

 

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Knight1192
Registered: Feb 00
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 9:25pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
Wait a minute, what happened to the two month rule. I thought it had been decided back in the middle of December that spoilers for books and comics had to have the spoiler tag for two months after the release so as to give more folks a chance to get that book or comic, especially since folks in other countries may not get the book a month after it's released in the US. We were told that we couldn't stop posting the spoiler tag on threads concerning SbS until the end of December, which was more than two months after SbS was released. And now it's down to a month? That's not enough time for everyone to get the book or comic in question, and plenty of folks don't want to be spoiled who will end up having problems with this because they can't get the book within a month of its release. Some can't even get it within half a year of it's release.

Now please, don't say I'm complaining because I'm one of those people who don't like to be spoiled. I was disgussing stuff from SbS based solely on what I read in the SbS spoilers before I ever got the book. But I am complaining cause I think a month is just too short a time to keep the spoiler tag up. I feel that two months is better as it gives more folks a chance to get the material and read it so that they can better discuss it.

The rest of the material provided is excellent, especially the disciplinary actions mentioned. Minor spoilers recieving an edit and a warning makes sense as we have seen it happen before. And major spoilers resulting in a temporary ban is something that folks who have joined since the big spoiler rules discussions of last fall should know so that they aren't taken by surprise if they find themselves being banned for a little bit.

But it's that month long deal that gets me. Why was it shortened from what we were told was the official period of time the spoiler tag had to be added to new books and comics?

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boushh2187
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Date Posted: 3/25/02 10:30pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
I'm also curious as to what happened to the two month rule. I rather thought that was a fair amount of time...

 

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DarthDatorri
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Date Posted: 3/26/02 7:30am Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
I agree we should stick with the the two-month rule (at least).

For instance, The Approaching Storm has only just been released in Australia (And Angus & Robertson still doesn't have it angry

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Kadue
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Date Posted: 3/26/02 12:33pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
We spent time discussing the time limit, and decided to use one month instead of two. If it doesn't work, we'll revise it.

 

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Gandalf the Grey
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Date Posted: 3/26/02 8:27pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
Up again. With a new book out, this should probably be up top.

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Knight1192
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Date Posted: 3/26/02 8:49pm Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
No offense Kadue, as I know you and the other admins work very hard to keep the forum enjoyable for all, but I hope the one month period doesn't work out.

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Date Posted: 3/27/02 6:09am Subject: RE: Attention All Literature Forum Patrons: Spoilers Guidelines
upping this thread for everyone else to see!

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